Dawkins vs. Lennox

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Emphasizing that science is always making progress, Dawkins staunchly stated that the "creative designer cannot be a satisfying explanation."

"It's tempting once again to import the easy facile idea of a designer and to say that the designer twittled the knobs of the universe and the big bang and got them exactly right," he said, alluding to the physical constants (numbers) physicists assume to derive the rest of their understanding of cosmology. If the numbers were even slightly different, we wouldn't exist, he said.

"But it seems to me to be manifestly obvious that that is a futile kind of explanation because as the quotation says 'who designed the Designer?' You have explained precisely nothing."

Which is what science has done with all of its theories concerning origins. Until science can move from absolute vacuum to a system of life, it explains nothing of origins. And that is impossible. Unless you want to start believing in magic. And I highly doubt anyone of science would want to do that. But how else can you explain the appearance of any material(living or unliving) where once there was nothing without a designer/creator?

Either the universe is eternal or it was created. Science says the universe had a beginning. Therefore it has to have a creator. It is simple logic.

And the Creator has no creator because he is outside the universe. Because something inside the created system really cannot be the cause of the system because it didn't exist prior. Otherwise if some piece of the created object existed prior to its creation you have to explain it. Otherwise, you're not dealing with origins.

With the Creator being outside the universe and time, he cannot be studied by science because science is by definition only able to study the natural world and universe because we are inside the created system. It cannot study the supernatural or what is outside the created system. Only the natural or what is inside the created system and any honest scientist will say as much. So demanding scientific evidence is an act of illogic since science by definition is incapable of studying outside the system so there can never be any scientifc evidence.