New Jersey threatens to seize control of church property for refusing to allow civil union
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New Jersey officials are threatening to declare a historic United Methodist Church a public place because it refuses to allow a civil union in its facilities. Civil Unions are not allowed to be performed according to the United Methodist Constitution but the lesbians that want to get married in the church went to the state. Now the state is threatening the church
The church has replied by suing the state to prevent them from seizing the property which has been owned by the church since 1870.
Certainly is nice watching the country become a totalitarian regime. Right or Left really doesn't matter. They both seem to think you should live their way or its the highway.
Labels: Christianity, Current Events, politics, Religion
posted by Gary @ 9:01 PM
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The state will back down on this. This is the stupid move of some zealot bureaucrat who will lose his/her job when the dust clears.
Things are bad, but they're not that bad yet. Even Canada isn't arresting ministers for preaching Romans 1 yet (though they technically have the authority.)
Ditto Rev. Carpenter.
However it is not that far down the road where this will become a reality. See Dr. Gagnon's paper on the Hate Crimes legislation.
BTW Gary you should be able to take Dr. Gagnon's homosexuality class. He offers it every three years and it was last offered in Spring '05. I took it my Junior year and it was mind-blowing.
I hope you're right that these people will lose their jobs.
Ben, its funny before you said he was orthodox, I thought he would be a pro-homosexual liberal because of his specialty.
Gary you seriously need to read his book. It destroys every conceivable angle anyone who is pro-homosexual ordination (or acceptance into membership) can atke. In fact if/when I see you down here you are more than welcome to borrow it. 600 pages of completely undeniable awesomeness. Though while he is certainly uber-orthodox about homosexuality he is not an Innerantist nor is he what you would call "traditional" about worship. Though TAKE GREEK FROM HIM NEXT YEAR!!!!!!! He is the best greek teacher since Machen.
I'll take advantage of borrowing a book! :) I'll be on campus for orientation on Thursday and Friday of next week and I've paid for a room to stay on campas that night. Seemed rather silly to be there from 8-7 and then go home and be there for 8 again.
Thanks for the tip on Greek. Since I've been debating which langauge to take this coming term I now know to wait for Greek till next year;) Have a preference for the Hebrew professors teaching this fall?
Depending on if you want to have a hard teacher but learn a lot I would take Creach. If you want to learn Hebrew and not have as tough a time take Durlesser. It all depends on your motivation for taking Hebrew. Want to be a future Hebrew wizard? Take Creach. Want to pass Hebrew with a working knowledge? Take Durlesser.
Take Creach, then. You'll need it to pass your ords.
B
Brian, you're reminding me of my Geneva advisor, Byron Curtis(a PCA member and ordained). And the person I took the most classes under because he is the best. I took everything he teaches(including 2 Hebrew courses and he killed me with a C in one and a B in the other. Now Greek I got a B and an A but different prof.) except Wisdom literature because the one time it was offered was offered during the same time as a requirement for my history degree. I have both History and Biblical Studies BAs from Geneva.
Well, the sad truth (and it's true in my own life as well, btw) is that you will probably never know more Hebrew than you do on the day you're finished with that class. A long, slow deterioration almost inevitably sets in. I know of only two guys who don't fit that mold. So you should aim to make the high watermark as high as you can make it and try to take that Hebrew ord as soon after the class as possible and get it out of the way.
Practical advice from a Candidates and Credentials Committee member.
B
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